CM Sarg0n... Don't give response, if the members getting into personal...It's waste of time if the topic is diverting....We all know that chess mastery is impossible in late age...But interest in the game should not be killed...If.the members in the topic posting different angle, we should keep silence because of that members we are decreasing our level..Atleast players should understand the chess in professional level and hobby level...If they are at professional level..Keep practice to get desired level...If they are at hobby level...Enjoy ur blunders and learn from other players to better understand chess...
@sekharpamidipati
I agree, we should not get personal. I disagree that 'we all know that chess mastery is impossible in late age' - otherwise why has this discussion continued for 26 pages?
I believe that we can master chess at an older age, but I do not think you can become a chess professional from an older age. In other words you could have gained the skills in a relaxed environment but would not necessarily be able to translate this into a more stressful situation......
I agree, we should not get personal. I disagree that 'we all know that chess mastery is impossible in late age' - otherwise why has this discussion continued for 26 pages?
I believe that we can master chess at an older age, but I do not think you can become a chess professional from an older age. In other words you could have gained the skills in a relaxed environment but would not necessarily be able to translate this into a more stressful situation......
I don't make things personal. If you make it personal that is really not my problem. This is one of the more fun threads I have seen. Beside.. I know how difficult it is to improve as an older player. And being in nursing and having to focus a lot of that aspect of my life makes it more difficult. Then having dyslexia where you can't really read the books that come out quickly enough to pretend to improve makes it harder. I have to rely on videos. When I play and forced to do notation it effects my ability to think well because I have to double check that I am writing down things correctly several times, and a lot of times I can't even do that. Half of my notation is trash because I mess up the notation where it's unreadable, so doing the normal thing where you look at your games to improve is almost non-existent unless I recall the game and someone helps me write the moves down. Recently there has been a controversy where people are trying to ban the device I decided to buy which has been making my notation so good that 100% of my games have been saved since the last year. I think I will participate in the fight to hopefully stop the ban because it is of great value to me.
You claiming you have 3 decades in the chess business and saying that proves you're right is all great and all, but I will say my 2 and a half decades is just as worthy. And that my beating several odds proves that there is a chance. Yeah.. I know.. You think USCF isn't anything to talk about, but I am going to say that I actually wish we had more FIDE access here. It would probably even out the rating system a little if we did. But for the most part, unless you're already over 2400 you can't really take FIDE in as a consideration. We had a player not too long ago. His USCF rating was 2400+. We watched him play in the open section and by the end of round 6 or 7 out of 9 he was still competing for the big prizes. Granted, he was probably about 13, but the point is his FIDE rating was 1700. Even the kids have ratings that are way off. I think because of his performance he is an IM now. My experience and knowing what I personally went through to attain the ratings I have proves to me that an adult improver can make it happen. I am not going to say that they can make GM, but I can say that anyone with proper training and persistence can at least make NM and FM.
In order for me to compete in FIDE events, I have to raise around $1000. And that is just to compete. If I wanted to compete in the truly big ones that offer norms, I have to raise around $2000. So let me ask you. Do you think it's feasible to think that someone like me can just go to FIDE rated events? I have to spend around $300-$500 on the average USCF event. I only broke 2k because I forced myself to go to at least 1 tournament a month. The increased frequency is what promoted it. And then if I wanted to make online chess a way for me to improve I get people that claim they don't take online seriously. But it's okay.. I am still going to try. I think that a lot of the reason people fail beside the fact that adults have other things they have to worry about is the fact that people tell them all the time they can't do it. And they believe it. Even if I NEVER reach 2300+ I will be happy I never quit trying. And that is the type of outlook that I hope can promote the OP and anyone else in this thread to be like. But here is the thing.. Since 20-25 I went from 800 to 2050. Being I made my biggest jumps after 30 and I am 44 now, and I am only about 250-300 points from 2300. I think it's very possible I could get there. And yeah.. I did take into consideration that the hardest part of a section is the 2100-2200 area.
My offer still stands. If anyone wants to study with me they can join me. I have a dead discord server. We can resurrect it. I tend to be active between the hours of 0000 and 0500 most days PST/PDT. And on my off days I can spend more time. Send me a PM if you want a link. I will focus most of my studies here.
You claiming you have 3 decades in the chess business and saying that proves you're right is all great and all, but I will say my 2 and a half decades is just as worthy. And that my beating several odds proves that there is a chance. Yeah.. I know.. You think USCF isn't anything to talk about, but I am going to say that I actually wish we had more FIDE access here. It would probably even out the rating system a little if we did. But for the most part, unless you're already over 2400 you can't really take FIDE in as a consideration. We had a player not too long ago. His USCF rating was 2400+. We watched him play in the open section and by the end of round 6 or 7 out of 9 he was still competing for the big prizes. Granted, he was probably about 13, but the point is his FIDE rating was 1700. Even the kids have ratings that are way off. I think because of his performance he is an IM now. My experience and knowing what I personally went through to attain the ratings I have proves to me that an adult improver can make it happen. I am not going to say that they can make GM, but I can say that anyone with proper training and persistence can at least make NM and FM.
In order for me to compete in FIDE events, I have to raise around $1000. And that is just to compete. If I wanted to compete in the truly big ones that offer norms, I have to raise around $2000. So let me ask you. Do you think it's feasible to think that someone like me can just go to FIDE rated events? I have to spend around $300-$500 on the average USCF event. I only broke 2k because I forced myself to go to at least 1 tournament a month. The increased frequency is what promoted it. And then if I wanted to make online chess a way for me to improve I get people that claim they don't take online seriously. But it's okay.. I am still going to try. I think that a lot of the reason people fail beside the fact that adults have other things they have to worry about is the fact that people tell them all the time they can't do it. And they believe it. Even if I NEVER reach 2300+ I will be happy I never quit trying. And that is the type of outlook that I hope can promote the OP and anyone else in this thread to be like. But here is the thing.. Since 20-25 I went from 800 to 2050. Being I made my biggest jumps after 30 and I am 44 now, and I am only about 250-300 points from 2300. I think it's very possible I could get there. And yeah.. I did take into consideration that the hardest part of a section is the 2100-2200 area.
My offer still stands. If anyone wants to study with me they can join me. I have a dead discord server. We can resurrect it. I tend to be active between the hours of 0000 and 0500 most days PST/PDT. And on my off days I can spend more time. Send me a PM if you want a link. I will focus most of my studies here.
@sekharpamidipati
Quote: "....We all know that chess mastery is impossible in late age..." Pardon, but this is wrong. The toppic here shows that you have to define 'late age' and 'mastery' first, before claiming something like this. Nobody denies it is difficult, maybe (MAYBE!) unprobable. 'Impossible' is only known to gods at the current state of knowledge.
@all
For me repeating the same without explanation and answering to questions is trolling. As this has finished I would state that I don't see continuous trolling here and like to continue the discussion.
There is no need to agree in the end. I gained some interesting ideas and questions here. So I have to thank all adding ideas and opinions!
Quote: "....We all know that chess mastery is impossible in late age..." Pardon, but this is wrong. The toppic here shows that you have to define 'late age' and 'mastery' first, before claiming something like this. Nobody denies it is difficult, maybe (MAYBE!) unprobable. 'Impossible' is only known to gods at the current state of knowledge.
@all
For me repeating the same without explanation and answering to questions is trolling. As this has finished I would state that I don't see continuous trolling here and like to continue the discussion.
There is no need to agree in the end. I gained some interesting ideas and questions here. So I have to thank all adding ideas and opinions!
Pardon me Masters..May be i crossed my limits...But I want to convey that the topic in the discussion LATE AGE, CHESS MASTERY..Etc..We can take many meanings, may be my words take different dimensions...I want to say.don't get into personal individuals..Many players of my level get into understand of chess world is such difficult positions..I am at the age 52 years...Trying to learn the game and enjoy it..Practical issue is being a player you want to become highest level in chess...But you must understand the reality of life...If you reach that level..We are going enjoy your games...All the players mentioned in the topic...If.you.not reach.that level still we enjoy the games...REALITY is the main...If u depressed no one going to help...Even my previous post hurts...I am SORRY ...Master JUPP53, Master DIFFORD...But don't go to personal...Encourage the aspirated players saying the reality..Once again sorry for my words being used in my post...Thank you masters
@MeWantCookieMobile I think Lichess has a very diverse bunch of members, not only of different ages and backgrounds, but also from different parts of the worlds and cultures.
Though the Lingua Franca here is English, I have often wondered if behaviour I consider "borderline trollish", i.e. words or phrases that strike me as arrogant, condescending, passive-agressive, deameaning, etc., are not, in large part, due to cultural differences compounded by difficulties related to translating one's thoughts into another language.
Now, add to that the fact that the reader may also not be a native English-speaker, well that leaves a lot of room for people sliding off-topic because either words give offence or offence is taken.
I am not saying that some people don't enjoy riding that fine line between civility and incivility, acting perplexed when someone calls them on it. A certain class of individual surfs through life giving a false appearance of being frank and honestly seeking to share and understand points of view when in fact their contributions are calculated to disrupt, degrade and demolish healthy environments because it somehow makes them feel a bit less lonely from the vantage point of their sad and desolate lives.
Whenever I come accross someone who strikes me as trollish, especially when comment after comment produces the same response in me, I wonder: is this a cultural thing compounded by the language barrier or is this truly a toxic personality? In either case, I tend to ignore them because I don't see how I can have a pleasant exchange with them, under the circumstances.
Though the Lingua Franca here is English, I have often wondered if behaviour I consider "borderline trollish", i.e. words or phrases that strike me as arrogant, condescending, passive-agressive, deameaning, etc., are not, in large part, due to cultural differences compounded by difficulties related to translating one's thoughts into another language.
Now, add to that the fact that the reader may also not be a native English-speaker, well that leaves a lot of room for people sliding off-topic because either words give offence or offence is taken.
I am not saying that some people don't enjoy riding that fine line between civility and incivility, acting perplexed when someone calls them on it. A certain class of individual surfs through life giving a false appearance of being frank and honestly seeking to share and understand points of view when in fact their contributions are calculated to disrupt, degrade and demolish healthy environments because it somehow makes them feel a bit less lonely from the vantage point of their sad and desolate lives.
Whenever I come accross someone who strikes me as trollish, especially when comment after comment produces the same response in me, I wonder: is this a cultural thing compounded by the language barrier or is this truly a toxic personality? In either case, I tend to ignore them because I don't see how I can have a pleasant exchange with them, under the circumstances.
I was 1300 uscf at 20 yrs, and NM now (accomplished NM at about 25 yrs), probably FM/IM or higher doable just not practical to try for most people. tournaments take a lot of time not to mention effort. tournament scene very much dominated by youth so less easy to find optimal social atmosphere as adult player.
@sekharpamidipati
No need to excuse. I wrote only for clear language in the discussion and I'm no chess master.
I hope I didn't offend you.
No need to excuse. I wrote only for clear language in the discussion and I'm no chess master.
I hope I didn't offend you.
Post 257 is pretty much the dead nail in the argument that no adult starter can become master strength. Let’s move on... And let’s not be frightened of the two shiny orange letters in front of someone’s name, don’t glorify this stuff, it simply projects insecurity. First time I beat a GM I noticed how scared I was of him, and how all too human he actually turned out to be.
What is really annoying is that the original claim was that no adult starter can become 2000. That was the original argument on chess.com thread that became well known. What a stupid claim. Come on now, I’m in my mid 40s, started recently, and don’t study or take the game seriously, I beat my 1950 OTB friend, and got 2250+ bullet on here, what a joke it is to say I can’t get 2000 OTB. I actually had some forum user here a while ago suggest that I would be 1400 OTB :D
Notice how the titled player in post 257 has rating in bullet, blitz, and FIDE all within 100 points from each other. The whole notion that 2250 bullet on here means you are 800 OTB and obviously can never become master or even 2000 OTB if you started as an adult is simply silly.
What is really annoying is that the original claim was that no adult starter can become 2000. That was the original argument on chess.com thread that became well known. What a stupid claim. Come on now, I’m in my mid 40s, started recently, and don’t study or take the game seriously, I beat my 1950 OTB friend, and got 2250+ bullet on here, what a joke it is to say I can’t get 2000 OTB. I actually had some forum user here a while ago suggest that I would be 1400 OTB :D
Notice how the titled player in post 257 has rating in bullet, blitz, and FIDE all within 100 points from each other. The whole notion that 2250 bullet on here means you are 800 OTB and obviously can never become master or even 2000 OTB if you started as an adult is simply silly.
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